The Dems seem to have some momentum right now, If they would have addressed some other issues (tort reform to start) I would consider supporting it. As is it seems to little more than an expansion of welfare that working people will have to pay for. The Repubs should quit whining about reconciliation, they have used it more than the Dems have, they look pretty silly complaining about it in that light.
No matter what happens, the Dems lose. They have Congress, the Senate, and the Presidency and after a year and 3 months they still have not passed their flafship bill. They blame Republicans all over the place, but the Republicans have NO votes right now. They are losers.
Actually the last NBC poll showed 17% approve of Congress. But when you represent special interests and yourself that is the kind of numbers you can expect.
The opposition to "Obamacare," and who it is coming from is certainly nothing new or unexpected. Republicans did the same, or worse, before the passage of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. If history is any indicator, it will pass and eventually be held as indespensible by its now-vocal critics.
If this care is so good for ALL of us......why won't the members of congress use it themselves? 1.) because they don't know what all is in the bill, 2.) the parts they do know, they don't like, 3.) none of them, including nobama, care one bit about what really happens to this country. 4.) When you have a socialist leading the way - we're all expected to do what he wants and congress will exempt themselves to save their own election hydes. I can't wait until nobama and pelosi are gone.
Just the facts.....you could not be more wrong. While I will not argue that something needs to be done to the current US health care system, what obama is trying to push through will not turn out to be "indespensible". The bill is too big, and overloaded with garbage. Instead of pushing so hard, they need to keep working on it more so that the MAJORITY of americans will be happy with it. Every poll I have seen, and I have looked at several, show that less than 50% of people in this country do not like what Obama is trying to push on us. He needs to get a clue and work it out some more. That public approval needs to be at least 63%.
"...be held as indespensible by its now-vocal critics"
I'm a critic, and would just as soon not have Medicare or Social Security. Let me keep my money and plan for my own retirement. Instead, I have to have money taken out of my check to fund my entire retirement because there is no guarantee I'll get anything out of SS or Medicare. Yeah, really indispensible programs those turned out to be.
Thanks for bringing up SS, Medicare, and Medicaid though. Excellent examples of government failure and why we shouldn't give them any more control.
It's not down to the wire. It is and has been done. The reality is that this bill is fairly moderate and the Ds badly mismanaged the process. They could have had a much stronger bill last fall but didn't get their act together. I hope Obama and the Dems have learned their lesson and will no longer attempt to work with the GOP and will realize they better stop wasting time with their in-fighting. The GOP has no incentive to work with the Ds. With the GOP ranks being so depleted the only ones left are from deep red states/districts. Why would the GOP cooperate when they will actually be punished if they are seen as working with the Dems (ex. Hayworth v. McCain)? The Dems shoud forget about bipartisanship, give the GOP a nice seat in the stands and move forward. After healthcare is passed, the Dems will be able to pass finance reform this summer. If the GOP wants to filibuster that, please be my guest. Then, IF the jobs numbers improve (and it appears they might), the Dems can point to improving job numbers and the popular/populist finance reform package in the fall. The Dems will (inevitably) lose seats in November but will hold both houses. After the midterms, energy, education and immigration will be on the agenda for 2011 & 2012. Immigration will likely be saved for 2012 so the GOP is forced to defend its position before an increasingly Hispanic electorate. Following their "whose turn is it?" approach to presidential politics, the GOP will nominate Mitt. The similarity between Mittcare and Obamacare will take that issue off the table. Mitt's other "liberal" tendencies will leave the hardliners cold and they will splinter off for some tea party candidate or Ron Paul. That plus a recovering economy equals 4 more years.
The dems didn't yeild ground on this bill to try and get votes from the GOP or to be seen as cooperative. Concessions were made for their own party, to try and win over members who were actually listening to the screaming electorate. If this bill was so good why are they having to bribe members of the party to vote for it? They aren't holding out because it's too moderate.
As Barb said above, the dems control the Senate, House, and the Presidency. It isn't the GOP giving them trouble.
The poor and lazy currently get free unlimited health care on the backs of the working few. The public option would allow the working few a chance at reasonably priced health care. Any working individual who is against this is a self-loather. Just giving the facts.
Anonymous March 19, 2010 1:15 AM, the president and most dems and repubs don't even know everything in the final health care bill. For you to act like you do and act like you are so much smarter than anyone else, just shows what a dumbass you really are. Obama was interviewed the other day and did not know everything in the bill. People need not know more than this. The current health care does need some reform, but not the government running it. Look at the great job they have done (both parties) with SS, post office, medicare, welfare) I need not say anymore.
This is pretty funny, a little levity if you will.....
"Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it. To be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.
The Dems seem to have some momentum right now, If they would have addressed some other issues (tort reform to start) I would consider supporting it.
ReplyDeleteAs is it seems to little more than an expansion of welfare that working people will have to pay for.
The Repubs should quit whining about reconciliation, they have used it more than the Dems have, they look pretty silly complaining about it in that light.
No matter what happens, the Dems lose. They have Congress, the Senate, and the Presidency and after a year and 3 months they still have not passed their flafship bill. They blame Republicans all over the place, but the Republicans have NO votes right now. They are losers.
ReplyDeleteflagship..............
ReplyDeleteContrary to propaganda, the American people are evenly split on the proposal. The same people have a 27% approval rate of Congress.
ReplyDeleteActually the last NBC poll showed 17% approve of Congress.
ReplyDeleteBut when you represent special interests and yourself that is the kind of numbers you can expect.
Well said, Guest#1
ReplyDeleteThe opposition to "Obamacare," and who it is coming from is certainly nothing new or unexpected. Republicans did the same, or worse, before the passage of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. If history is any indicator, it will pass and eventually be held as indespensible by its now-vocal critics.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone think they know enough about what is written into this bill that they can make an intellegent decision pro or con?
ReplyDeleteDid you see Obama's interview on Fox tonight? Obama doesn't know what's in the bill.
ReplyDeleteIf this care is so good for ALL of us......why won't the members of congress use it themselves? 1.) because they don't know what all is in the bill, 2.) the parts they do know, they don't like, 3.) none of them, including nobama, care one bit about what really happens to this country. 4.) When you have a socialist leading the way - we're all expected to do what he wants and congress will exempt themselves to save their own election hydes.
ReplyDeleteI can't wait until nobama and pelosi are gone.
Just the facts.....you could not be more wrong. While I will not argue that something needs to be done to the current US health care system, what obama is trying to push through will not turn out to be "indespensible". The bill is too big, and overloaded with garbage.
ReplyDeleteInstead of pushing so hard, they need to keep working on it more so that the MAJORITY of americans will be happy with it. Every poll I have seen, and I have looked at several, show that less than 50% of people in this country do not like what Obama is trying to push on us. He needs to get a clue and work it out some more. That public approval needs to be at least 63%.
"...be held as indespensible by its now-vocal critics"
ReplyDeleteI'm a critic, and would just as soon not have Medicare or Social Security. Let me keep my money and plan for my own retirement. Instead, I have to have money taken out of my check to fund my entire retirement because there is no guarantee I'll get anything out of SS or Medicare. Yeah, really indispensible programs those turned out to be.
Thanks for bringing up SS, Medicare, and Medicaid though. Excellent examples of government failure and why we shouldn't give them any more control.
It's not down to the wire. It is and has been done. The reality is that this bill is fairly moderate and the Ds badly mismanaged the process. They could have had a much stronger bill last fall but didn't get their act together. I hope Obama and the Dems have learned their lesson and will no longer attempt to work with the GOP and will realize they better stop wasting time with their in-fighting. The GOP has no incentive to work with the Ds. With the GOP ranks being so depleted the only ones left are from deep red states/districts. Why would the GOP cooperate when they will actually be punished if they are seen as working with the Dems (ex. Hayworth v. McCain)? The Dems shoud forget about bipartisanship, give the GOP a nice seat in the stands and move forward. After healthcare is passed, the Dems will be able to pass finance reform this summer. If the GOP wants to filibuster that, please be my guest. Then, IF the jobs numbers improve (and it appears they might), the Dems can point to improving job numbers and the popular/populist finance reform package in the fall. The Dems will (inevitably) lose seats in November but will hold both houses. After the midterms, energy, education and immigration will be on the agenda for 2011 & 2012. Immigration will likely be saved for 2012 so the GOP is forced to defend its position before an increasingly Hispanic electorate. Following their "whose turn is it?" approach to presidential politics, the GOP will nominate Mitt. The similarity between Mittcare and Obamacare will take that issue off the table. Mitt's other "liberal" tendencies will leave the hardliners cold and they will splinter off for some tea party candidate or Ron Paul. That plus a recovering economy equals 4 more years.
ReplyDeleteThe dems didn't yeild ground on this bill to try and get votes from the GOP or to be seen as cooperative. Concessions were made for their own party, to try and win over members who were actually listening to the screaming electorate. If this bill was so good why are they having to bribe members of the party to vote for it? They aren't holding out because it's too moderate.
ReplyDeleteAs Barb said above, the dems control the Senate, House, and the Presidency. It isn't the GOP giving them trouble.
The poor and lazy currently get free unlimited health care on the backs of the working few. The public option would allow the working few a chance at reasonably priced health care. Any working individual who is against this is a self-loather. Just giving the facts.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous March 19, 2010 1:15 AM, the president and most dems and repubs don't even know everything in the final health care bill. For you to act like you do and act like you are so much smarter than anyone else, just shows what a dumbass you really are. Obama was interviewed the other day and did not know everything in the bill. People need not know more than this. The current health care does need some reform, but not the government running it. Look at the great job they have done (both parties) with SS, post office, medicare, welfare) I need not say anymore.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget the millitary in your list, Charlie!
ReplyDeleteThis is pretty funny, a little levity if you will.....
ReplyDelete"Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it. To be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.
What the hell could possibly go wrong?