The Greenville School Board took a procedural step today in order to put the middle school bond issue back on the ballot in May. The procedural vote to commit funds is required before a vote (expected next Wednesday) to formally put the bond issue back on the ballot. The vote today was 3-1, with Funderburg voting against, and Bowman not present.
Not surprised. Here's to hoping for passage before the state recinds it's money to build the school.
ReplyDeleteExpect it to go down even harder this time. It is their punishment for simply not listening.
ReplyDeleteI see the last vote didn't tell you enough? I can't wait to see the next percentage, I bet it will go down by 60% this time. Some people never learn do they.
ReplyDelete"Some people never learn do they." Interesting choice of words. The question is whether the current school officials would rather defend putting it on the ballot 1 or 2 more times or defend not putting it on the ballot when, in 10 years, Greenville (if it still exists) is paying 100% of the new school construction and everybody is screaming about how we can't afford it. This was a no brainer and people missed it. I would much rather say I gave the people 2 or 3 chances to get it right and they blew it than defend not giving them the 2nd or 3rd chance to shoot it down.
ReplyDeleteAnd some people with strong beliefs and values will not give up when there is still a fighting chance.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate their determination. Hopefully they HAVE learned from this election and can run a more successful campaign this time.
Ahhh yes and the procedural pounding starts, they will keep repeating it until the pound it into the ground.
ReplyDeleteYOU TEACH A CHILD,WHAT NO MEANS.HOW MANY TIME DO WE HAVE TO TELL THIS GROUP,OF DUMB A**ES?????
ReplyDeleteGood for Bill Funderburg to say NO.
ReplyDeleteNO is no to current plan that is more opportunistic than thought out. What is the plan for the high school (9-12) that had 1400 students in past and will have 800 for 4 grades? The proposed building for 800 for 4 grades (5-8).
What is plan for K-4 to eliminate the modular units?
No becomes yes when these questions answered.
What is wrong with you 12:14? Do you really have to call people names? Are you 12 again? Come on, show some professionalism.
ReplyDeleteFind a different way to fund it… Property owners are tired of it constantly being thrown on their backs. Someone needs to find a way so everyone pays not just a select group.
ReplyDeleteBig mistake. Glad Funderburg has sense.
ReplyDeleteThat's the problem with america right now when someone say no they think they can go around it and not listen. Greenville has reached a new low and I hope the school board gets kicked out for the disrespect they are doing!
ReplyDeleteEvery school board in Ohio does the same thing.
ReplyDeletewell heck maybe if Americans would put their foot down and stop helping other countries who will NEVER help us back, we would have the money to get some new schools.... Do you really think Haiti is going to help us if we need it..no... so why help them rebuild... bet they will use some of that millions to build them a new school..... Did anyone help us when we had Katrina down south.... I don't think soo!!!! Help your own country and your own City before helping others!!!
ReplyDeleteGood for the school board. Something like this requires two or three tries before success. Many of the NO's will never be convinced, as has been made clear by some of the comments on this site. The goal is to find more YES's.
ReplyDeleteThis community WILL get a new middle school, and everyone will benefit, even those of you who vote no.
The people against the bill are few. Yes, the last levy did not pass. However, there were close to 10,000 people that could have but did not vote. This will pass and you will pay for it. This is just the fact of life in Greenville. If you dont like it move. Sorry Im usually not this blunt. But this cant go on forever. Prepare to complain about your taxes going up.
ReplyDeleteHey Joe, how many times has it been put down? I was wandering when your all at work and they tell you they can't afford a pay raise right now, do you keep going in everyday and asking for a pay raise till you get it?
ReplyDeleteHi Richard,
ReplyDeleteI'm not asking for a vote from you, for it is obvious you don't like the idea. You and I disagree, and that's OK.
In the mean time, those of us who do believe this to be a worthy investment in the community will work that much harder to find more yes votes. It's only a matter of time. It will not be easy, but nothing worthwhile is ever easy.
Take care,
Joe
Springboro ran a levy 4 or 5 times if I recall, and it finally passed.
ReplyDeleteAnd was all 4 or 5 times for Springboro the exact same request? Or did they change it for any community input?
ReplyDeleteIf the school board puts this up again without attempting to re-write it, it will go down again. If they choose to re-write it as a SALES TAX then it will pass. Wise up board members and realize the only way you are going to "get around" this is to change your thinking. The people have spoken and the only way to get a different answer is for you to ask the question in a different way.
ReplyDeleteJoe, those who are opposed to this (in its current form) will also fight just as hard to find more NO votes. If you think otherwise than you are only kidding yourself.
ReplyDeleteI might agree if these were different time, however the sentiment in this country today is enough is enough. Most taxpaying citizens are tired of this government just ramming things down their throats, which equates to the same thing with the school board.
ReplyDeleteAs you work harder for yes votes, what do you think the folks will be doing with no votes? The time for the majority just staying quiet while special interest groups try to force their agenda is slowly coming to a halt.
If you really feel we need a new school now, find an alternative way to fund it. Even the no voters are not saying no to a school, they are saying no to increasing their property taxes.
Former Wave,
ReplyDeleteSchool districts cannot set sales tax. County commissionaires and state legislators can do this.
WaveRunner
"And was all 4 or 5 times for Springboro the exact same request? Or did they change it for any community input?"
ReplyDeleteI think it was the same levy everytime.
Friends,
ReplyDeleteIf they decide to rewrite it in some way, then that's fine with me. Sales tax is a no go, however, as far as I know. If anyone knows of a way to get the funding through an increase in sales taxes, then let the rest of us know.
Personally, I would be fine with an income tax. However, according to the campaign website,
"A property tax only requires half as much effective millage as a school district income tax. This is because all businesses like big retailers will pay this property tax and help share the tax burden for the community.
Also the Federal Stimulus money available is much more effective on property tax because of the type of indebtedness. Corporations do not pay a school district income tax."
If I owned rental property, I would be inclined to pass the cost on to the renter. It is only fair that everyone contribute in some way.
I know this is a sacrifice, but it is my opinion that this sacrifice will benefit our children and the whole community. It is also a fact that our taxes for schools are some of the lowest in the state, and it is reflected in the quality of our buildings.
I know there are plenty who disagree, and I respect that. Persons can disagree and still get along.
I'm done commenting here. Anyone who wishes to email me are welcome to do so.
joepayne@woh.rr.com.
The gap of passing the levy is not as large as it looks. It failed by 681 votes. That means if 341 voters that said “no” say “yes”, it passes. However some that voted “yes” may vote “no” this time. Also there was a very large no show voters. Some may decide to vote this time around. Keep in mind there are consequences to voting “no” and “yes.” One needs to decide which results are more beneficial to the schools, the community, and the local economy.
ReplyDeleteNOW SHOULD BE A BETTER TIME . tell your fellow property owners go vote NO send a message to the school board no means no
ReplyDeleteLT
Maybe its time to privatize the school system. If it were privatized, funded with private investors that could stand a chance of making some money and ran as a money making business the brunt of the cost would go to the users making them responsible parents and not expecting the village to raise their children and the quality of education would dramatically improve. The times have changed and the public cannot be asked to foot the bill anymore, the extra money just ins't to be had, no matter what the people are so hell bent on ramming this through. People are going to have to take responsibility for their own offspring. Just because it was done that way for the last 90 years doesn't mean it has to continue.
ReplyDeleteThe need to get rid of the democrat teachers union is great as with all other government unions. They do nothing but breed ineffectivness.
Most people have grown tired of the socialist democrat party trying to cram crap down their throats that the majority doesn't want. But as we have witnessed over the last few months, they are hard of hearing when things go against their agenda.
I have had enough and will not even vote for a renewal levy and if this keeps up, I hope every voter will do the same.
The school will not bring jobs to the area. Tax incentives will bring business. Business will bring jobs and the jobs will bring people. Then the people will bring the revenue. Oh, that can't be done as the current political assasination of private interprise has business on the run and ducking for cover.
The state is broke as well as the imperial federal government. Just because there is a "promise window" of some monies does not mean they will ever materialize.
NOW IS NOT THE TIME!
DW
Why cant the county commishiners request a sales tax increase?I think funding from some where else is the only way this will pass.
ReplyDeleteI was just on a web site called ohio coalition.org.They have got some pretty interesting reading.One of the FACTS I read was the reduction in reliance on property taxes to fund the schools.Plus a lot more.So if you have the time check it out.
ReplyDeleteDW, your "why should I care about others" attitude is not appealing at all. I am sure you went to school at some point and others paid for you to do so. The fact is that there are already too many people that do not care about others let alone parents not even caring for their own children. However if everyone ignored those in need, this community and world would be a bigger mess. I am not saying the passage of the levy will fix all the problems, but you sure did not offer any realistic solutions. The need for new school facilities has not went away just because the levy last week failed. Give the school board credit for seeking to move forward while the state funds are still available. We do not even know what the format will be for the May 4 levy.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, Feb 5, 8:02 PM
ReplyDeleteIf it is your contention that supporting the local schools is a Republican-Democrat issue, save yourself and the rest of us a lot of grief and just move away.
Just what goes away in August?
ReplyDeleteWhat is there now and when this program goes away?
How about some facts that answer questions?
What is different about this funding? The state of Ohio is still running a school building program. Greenville qualifed for 37%, 38% or 40% per different sources.
Are the stimulus dollars for interest not available for the reqular Ohio programs?
Why can we not have a more balanced and measured approach to facilities for Greenville than what is put in a special peice of legislation?
Feb 6 2:12am...You must have refused to or just don't want to understand me. What part of privatizing the school systems and running them like publicly traded corporations don't you understand? It does take some thought process to get around this concept. You make it a viable asset instead of a money pit. I also said that because it has been done for the last 90 years doesn't mean that it has to or can be continued, and why is personal responsibility such a bad word for you? The State of Ohio is broke. In my feeble mind, I can't see that it is certain that any monies will come across if this levy passes. How can you get blood out of a turnip? I have spent much volunteer time and personal monies on my and other kids while mine were in school. I wish I was smarter back then and home schooled my kids. I had to spend many a night deprogramming them. I have seen the parents that do not care and that DEMANDED that someone else pay for their kids activity in one way or another and, quite frankly, it made me sick. It is one thing if someone is on hard times. We should build more low income housing in this school district and bring more people that can't pay any taxes so the rest of us left working can pay more out of our pockets so our lifestyle has to change in order to bring up someone else's standard of living who will not help themselves. If we as a nation can get the loafers off their backs so the rest of us can quit paying for them there may be extra cash available so in the mean time keep beating the over taxed property owners till they can't stand anymore. Yes that would sound like a very selfish statement, but when are you bleeding hearts going to wake up? This is a problem with government in general and not just this school system. Society has been brainwashed all of its life and let the tax-paying revolt begin.
ReplyDeleteHere are some quotes for you...I am sure you will find them distasteful:
"Do we really think that a government-dominated education is going to produce citizens capable of dominating their government, as the education of a truly vigilant self-governing people requires?" [Alan Keyes]
"Politicians never accuse you of 'greed' for wanting other people's money --- only for wanting to keep your own money." [Joseph Sobran]
"In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." [Voltaire]
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
"America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to 'the common good,' but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance -- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way." [Ayn Rand]
Think about it, folks!
DW
Curious
ReplyDeleteWe have been included in an exceptional needs program by the state. This qualified us for the 40% funding by the state, however, this needs to be in place before I believe (but don't quote me as fact on the date) November. If we don't have the levy to build passed by then, we are removed from this list and that money goes bye bye
Anonymous 10:45 AM
ReplyDeleteThis one goes away. But the district still eligible for the OSFC funds. Curious is right about the 37% funding from OSFC.
Need to get the facts. A lot of smoke from the district.
Yes, someone else paid for my school: my parents. Private school. Then when I went to college, someone else paid for it to: scholarships. Whatever wasn't paid in scholarships, I picked up the burden myself. Maybe putting money into your children instead of your LED TV and Nintendo Wii would be a start?
ReplyDeleteThe cries that "someone else paid for your education when you grew up" are ridiculous. My parents carried the tax burden on a failing public school system as well, while also sending me to private school while making no more than roughly 30K a year. It is called watching what you spend and not thinking you need every luxary in life.
Perhaps if people would realize they need to rely on themselves first and foremost instead of waiting for someone else to do everything for them, thing would be a bit better off.
Levy goes down again. And again. And again.
2-6-10 @ 11:52 has a good point. All too often today we have people complaining that they don't have what someone else has. Instead of going out and doing more for themselves to get it, they gripe about it and want someone else to give it to them. It is the "welfare-minded" nation we have become.
ReplyDeleteAnd give your parents a medal! 30K a year and affording private school? If only more parents were more worried about their children's future to pick up the burden themselves instead of passing it off on someone else!
Unfortunately, our state is devoting too much money to welfare services and too little money to schools. Reprioritize where the money is getting spent and get people off of the mindset that "welfare for life" is a capable career goal.
Funding for schools starts by cutting the wasteful and/or pointless spending from other places in the state budget. It may be a slow process, but only then will the state be freed up enough to devote spending on the future instead of devoting money to the "never was" or "never will be."
DW, sadly you are a casualty suffering from right-wing talk-radio overload.
ReplyDeleteIt is all about truthfullness and honesty. Everything I read about the levy including the Editorial supporting the levy by the Greenville Advocate kept stating a 2.9 or 2.8 mill levy, this also included letters to the editors by those that were for the levy. It was not until a week or so prior to the voting did we find out if was a 3.4 mil levy. In regard to the property purchase on Ohio Street we were told it was sufficient acreage to accomodate all the buildings for all grade levels, now we are being told there is insufficient acreage. Neither the Greenville City Council or the School Board were concerned in regard to the Citizens living on Ohio Street how they were going to exit their driveways to get on to Ohio Street. They told us they would add multiple lanes and traffic lights that was recommended by the Highway study but when asked regarding egress for the homeowners to get out of their driveways I was told we never studied this and we don't know how they will manage this, since some of the driveways exit near the Main and Ohio Street intersection. Be honest and provide all of the facts to allow us to make correct decisions. Could it be the levy was voted down because there is still a trust issue?
ReplyDeleteWell said Feb. 6 11:57 and 12:47. 12:50, Sadly, that is a typical democrat/liberal comeback and we know conservative and independant thinkers drive you people nuts. The thought of private schools really scares the heck out of you, doesn't it? The only thing I suffer from is independant thinking and a little common sense and maybe I pay a little more attention to what is going on instead of sticking my head in the sand and just blindly doing what someone else tells me I have to do.
ReplyDeleteHere is another one for you and I'll shut up, for a while:
"... the term "democrat" originated as an epithet and referred to 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses." (Joseph Ellis - "Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation")
DW
I welcome any critical and independent thinker. Everything you write is simply parroting right-wing ideologues. Both the far left and right are wrong and this is obvious to any critical thinker.
ReplyDeleteThe Greenville School Board and Administration does not have the ability to change the system how federal or state funds are allocated. In fact none of us will get the current system changed before the school facilities need to be replaced. Therefore they are doing what they can to get the most assitance possible to fund new school facilities. For those that feel their questions have not been answered, did you even ask your questions of the direct source? Hopefully you are not just relying on information which most often is unvalidated facts and figures from unknowledgeable sources. I sent my children to a private school knowing full well I would still have to pay the local school district taxes under the system in place. This did not bother me a bit since it was my responsibility under the current system. Many have commented here to look after your self and own children first. Did you happen to think that not all parents can afford to send their children to a private school? Therefore by those parents supporting a school levy for new facilities, they are looking out for the best interest of their children? There is my independent thinking. Think about it folks!
ReplyDeletesales tax increase nobody is buying anything. That is why the Sheriff budget is bad because they get their money from sales tax
ReplyDeleteAnon at 10:22 - They are looking out for their children by wanting someone else to pick up the tab. How many of these parents that "can't afford" to send their kids to private school have cell phones, an LCD TV, a video game system, high speed internet, etc.? There are so many things that people consider a "necessity" today that truly aren't, but are just things people want to have. Now, mind you, I am not saying that people have to give up everything and send their kids to private school. However, you are saying people are looking out for the best interests of their kids by wanting someone else to pay the tab. Perhaps they should just put an issue on the ballot so that their "best interests" can be met by having someone else pay for them to stay home and watch Tyra, Regis, Ellen, etc.
ReplyDeleteTo 5:06 PM. Sheriff's budget comes from the County Commissioners (general fund) which is funded partially from sales tax and partially from real estate tax.
ReplyDeleteWhy are we paying School administrator so much money? As a taxpaying citizen of this community, I call for a 25% pay reduction in all School administrator wages. The real world ecomomy has no problem cutting salaried wages, so why should a government servant be any better. I applaud Funderburgs vote. Someone has to stand up against the herd mentality morons that live their life in perpetual debt self imposed slavery.
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