Looking at all the pictures, any one with common sense can see the agenda in place. Preventive maintenance could fix all these small problems. Glue, plaster and tile. It shows poor management at the top. I can't understand why the board would let their elected leader and side kick pull these kinds of tactics.
I asked the same question. Plaster on top of plaster on top of plaster from the 80s doesn't always stick. I encourage you to tour the school. Also note the one small computer lab for the entire school.
sigh. in defense the issue of Greenville replacing their buildings cascades at the state level. There is no way that every small community in the county with shrinking student attendance should have received $15 million buildings (or more). 8 county schools should have been brought to more like 4... or 5 even.
that being said- greenville's property taxes that go to the schools are among the lowest 5% in the state.
Which one of the repairs in the entire video, will help a child learn to read, write and do arithmetic??? How long before a brand new building would be in ruins with repairs done in the manner?
I literally had tears in my eyes seeing those pics. How can a child even learn in such decrepid conditions. Those poor babies lives are at risk in that third world squalor! Somebody call the child welfare authorities! Please, what a crock. Vote NO.
Its called maintenance, you take care of it , do not wait for someone else to pay the BILL.And guess what its not FREE someone has to pay the bill.But everyone should have a piece of the bill just not the property owners. The STATE OF OHIO is BROKE so where is the money comeing from THIN AIR.So the LOTTERY that we was led to believe would take care of the education problem did not.NOW WHATS NEXT I thought our governor was going to take care of education ,what happen to that campaigh promise.
I suppose we could patch the roof, put up some drop ceilings and "be done with it." But, these bandaids wouldn't solve the greater problems with these buildings. There are more pictures that could be shown...pictures of the firetrap stairwell going up to the third floor at South. It's like a chimney. You cannot "fix" that. Also, there is no adequate handicap accessibility in either building, which doesn't mean much until you understand that we have some students in wheel chairs, and like it or not we are mandated by the state to educate these children (we should care for all children anyway, regardless of mandates). Then there is the permanent smell in the one set of restrooms on the bottom floor of south. The odor cannot be removed because of the antique fixtures. And then there is the small size of the lot both of these schools are on -- much too small for safe transport of our students.
These and other deficiencies have been mentioned time after time through the last several months. I appreciate how the district has gotten the information out so that the public is able to make an intelligent, informed decision regarding the need to pay for this new school.
So, it's time to bite the bullet and get this done now. Or, we can do it later and pay much more. Either way, something must be done.
We recently had work done at our house by a local business. The gentleman shared with me that a lot of GCS problem is that they use the "just get us by" theory every time that his business is asked to fix something. He and other businesses in the area are told this each time they fix something in the system. Maybe if GCS would just fix things completely this would not be happening in these buildings. Vote no for the levy because of carelessness like this by the administration in the system.
Would our community go to McDonald's if it looked like this? Would they go to a dentist's office, or a bank that looked like this? We are sending our most prized possessions to go and learn in these crumbling buildings.
I agree. This is clearly a sign of poor management. Very simple fixes that should have been done. Management should be held accountable for this and resign or be replaced.
Good morning. I have recieved phone calls pertainig to this post. The person that used the initials JM is not Jon McGreevey who works for the Greeville City Schools. Speaking to the some of the pictures... most of these items are being taken care of this summer. If an issue does arise it is evaluated and a cost effect analysis is completed and repairs are made. If anyone has any questions about maintenance issues in any of our buildings,or would like to observe conditions first hand, please contact me at 548-3185. Sincerely, Jon McGreevey
I am for the school levy, say what you must to convince yourself and others that it is the fault of mismanagement or that this is a simple fix. Someone paid for me and you to be safe and go to a clean school and I am willing to do the same.
Once again the citizens of this fine district are Not worried about the children..... just THEIR money!!! PATHETIC!!!!! OUR KIDS NEED A NEW SCHOOL !!!!!! Greenville needs to realize this FACT!!!!!!!! again .... Pathetic excuse for a town!!!!! Look at these other smaller districts in the county and see how they RESPECT the children and not just worry about themselves!!!!!!!!
@Robert- If your home was in that condition child protection may be interested. And yes, asbestos can put health at risk.
@628- You see those computers? That's the computer lab for the entire school. 20 minutes a week per student.
@718- Time to take things into our own hands. That's like waiting for the President to come save us. It's not going to happen and if it does it will be too late.
@Factbear- I was in GCS for 13 years. And I graduated this decade. I doubt anyone else on here (Except TLK) can speak on the subject like I can. Nobody wants to help improve the conditions because they don't want to know. I'm trying to educate for my kid's sakes. And after 100 years left, no, there's not a whole lot to work with.
@Joe- True enough we can vote now with state assistance or vote later without state assistance. I'd rather do the right thing now.
@811- Go. Go to the school. I dare you. You want to look at a few pictures and be done with it rather than take into consideration what the photos are telling you.
@821- I honestly don't know, I would think if we had the money and resources we would fix what was right to fix. But remember, remodel is 102% of building new in this case.
@Krista- true enough if McDonalds looked like this nobody would go. That's a wonderful point.
@852- Obviously, this doesn't fix a school building. You say it like the super has been here since South school has been. This was a project she took on when she came into office. I commend her and respect her because of what she's done. You should too.
@Jon- Sorry. Didn't think about that one.
I am definitely not him. Jon was an administrator when I was in High School.
I am not from greenville, i just moved here over 5 years ago.... and from i see this is sick, you people not wanting a new school. I have friends, who have kids that go to these schools, and a couple who are teachers. Really you guys gotta be kidding me, Versailles, Arcanum, and there is another one.... all built new schools... but i have never met a more stuck up town. we have MORE kids going to greenville then those schools, but yet they got new schools, oh also look how good their students do too!!!! just sayin, I know when I have kids, they will NOT be going to greenville schools, if the school cont to look like this... how about just building one k-12 school.. that would work...
I got a Idea!!!!! Home Makeover: School Edion!!!!! why don't people vol. to help rebuild a school... that will help put some cost down, but i think we since do have state wanting to help we should it now, what if 2 years after a school comes down (while our children are in) we don't get that help, what ya guys going to do then????? how about workin has a comm.... oh wait greenville don't know how to do that, they just know how to tear people down!
How about we use the guys in the sex offender safehouses to repair the schools. They could pay for thier keep and I am sure they would enjoy working with the schools.
Faith, the K-12 idea has come up before. I think the current idea is that if we can't pass this, we certainly can't pass a K-12 bond. Right now the state is offering assistance for the middle school.
Many people (not you of course) voted no on the K-12 levy and now use the excuse that if it was everything they'd vote for it. Just avoiding the subject at hand they are.
Dex- $8.8 million, free money from the state if we pass this.
Children can be removed from homes that are in that much disrepair, yet ours are expected to attend those schools every single day. To those who say repair it - with what money? Have you ever paid for a home repair? It isn't cheap. Grow up and give a darn about the kids in your community. They are the future and will be the people taking care of you someday. Maybe they will decide the cost of caring for you is too much.
I knew as soon as I looked at this slide-show of pictures early this morning… this was going to “backfire” for those in favor of building a new school…
I went to school in Ansonia in the later 60's - 75. We were the first class to go into the new building that was built for the middle school. Yes it was nice, but I cannot say it made learning any easier. My education came from the teacher's and books. We did not have calculators or computers to learn from. When we transfered back to the old high school, sure it was run down and had lead and asbestos in it, I wasn't there to see the ooz's and awe's of a new building, I was there for an education. Most of what I hear is fix it up! VOTE NO! I thought it over and came to this, I have to have a special room in my home for my PC. I have a handicap ramp for my power chair. Most everything has to be replaced sometime. One can only cover up damage for so long. Adults that went to these old schools have forgotten how long ago that had been, and they were newer then.
JM had nothing but the best of intentions in submitting these photos.
I'm personally a little tired of the argument that we need to pass ths levy for the children. We desperately need to pass this levy for our entire community.
I respect those who are voting no for personal financial reasons, but I still think it's the wrong vote. A no vote now will only compound and increase our problems later.
I will be voting for the levy.
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So what, fix it....
ReplyDeletejust a ploy to gather yes votes.
ReplyDeleteFixing is 102% of replacing...
ReplyDeleteI get so tired of repeating this fact. You just choose to ignore the facts.
Ploy? How about education. Have you been? Of course not, because you don't want to see the truth of what our kids our learning in.
Looking at all the pictures, any one with common sense can see the agenda in place. Preventive maintenance could fix all these small problems. Glue, plaster and tile. It shows poor management at the top. I can't understand why the board would let their elected leader and side kick pull these kinds of tactics.
ReplyDeleteI asked the same question. Plaster on top of plaster on top of plaster from the 80s doesn't always stick. I encourage you to tour the school. Also note the one small computer lab for the entire school.
ReplyDeletesigh. in defense the issue of Greenville replacing their buildings cascades at the state level. There is no way that every small community in the county with shrinking student attendance should have received $15 million buildings (or more). 8 county schools should have been brought to more like 4... or 5 even.
ReplyDeletethat being said- greenville's property taxes that go to the schools are among the lowest 5% in the state.
Which one of the repairs in the entire video, will help a child learn to read, write and do arithmetic??? How long before a brand new building would be in ruins with repairs done in the manner?
ReplyDeleteI literally had tears in my eyes seeing those pics. How can a child even learn in such decrepid conditions. Those poor babies lives are at risk in that third world squalor! Somebody call the child welfare authorities! Please, what a crock. Vote NO.
ReplyDeleteWhat a nice picture glad to see the grades there match the ceiling!!!
ReplyDeleteahhh do those floor tiles with open surfaces have asbestos in them?
ReplyDeleteOur kids deserve better.
show us the cramped classrooms, overloaded electrical
ReplyDeleteIts called maintenance, you take care of it , do not wait for someone else to pay the BILL.And guess what its not FREE someone has to pay the bill.But everyone should have a piece of the bill just not the property owners. The STATE OF OHIO is BROKE so where is the money comeing from THIN AIR.So the LOTTERY that we was led to believe would take care of the education problem did not.NOW WHATS NEXT I thought our governor was going to take care of education ,what happen to that campaigh promise.
ReplyDeleteIt is JM's predecessors who failed to maintain the buildings properly. Just working with what he is given.
ReplyDeleteI suppose we could patch the roof, put up some drop ceilings and "be done with it." But, these bandaids wouldn't solve the greater problems with these buildings. There are more pictures that could be shown...pictures of the firetrap stairwell going up to the third floor at South. It's like a chimney. You cannot "fix" that. Also, there is no adequate handicap accessibility in either building, which doesn't mean much until you understand that we have some students in wheel chairs, and like it or not we are mandated by the state to educate these children (we should care for all children anyway, regardless of mandates). Then there is the permanent smell in the one set of restrooms on the bottom floor of south. The odor cannot be removed because of the antique fixtures. And then there is the small size of the lot both of these schools are on -- much too small for safe transport of our students.
ReplyDeleteThese and other deficiencies have been mentioned time after time through the last several months. I appreciate how the district has gotten the information out so that the public is able to make an intelligent, informed decision regarding the need to pay for this new school.
So, it's time to bite the bullet and get this done now. Or, we can do it later and pay much more. Either way, something must be done.
Vote NO and fix the current buildings. There is nothing in the photos that can't be repaired!
ReplyDeleteWe recently had work done at our house by a local business. The gentleman shared with me that a lot of GCS problem is that they use the "just get us by" theory every time that his business is asked to fix something. He and other businesses in the area are told this each time they fix something in the system. Maybe if GCS would just fix things completely this would not be happening in these buildings. Vote no for the levy because of carelessness like this by the administration in the system.
ReplyDeleteWould our community go to McDonald's if it looked like this? Would they go to a dentist's office, or a bank that looked like this? We are sending our most prized possessions to go and learn in these crumbling buildings.
ReplyDeleteI agree. This is clearly a sign of poor management. Very simple fixes that should have been done. Management should be held accountable for this and resign or be replaced.
ReplyDeleteGood morning. I have recieved phone calls pertainig to this post. The person that used the initials JM is not Jon McGreevey who works for the Greeville City Schools.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking to the some of the pictures... most of these items are being taken care of this summer. If an issue does arise it is evaluated and a cost effect analysis is completed and repairs are made. If anyone has any questions about maintenance issues in any of our buildings,or would like to observe conditions first hand, please contact me at 548-3185.
Sincerely,
Jon McGreevey
I would like to confirm that JM is not Jon McGreevey. I would have addressed this up front if I had anticipated the potential for confusion.
ReplyDeleteI am for the school levy, say what you must to convince yourself and others that it is the fault of mismanagement or that this is a simple fix. Someone paid for me and you to be safe and go to a clean school and I am willing to do the same.
ReplyDeleteOnce again the citizens of this fine district are Not worried about the children..... just THEIR money!!! PATHETIC!!!!! OUR KIDS NEED A NEW SCHOOL !!!!!! Greenville needs to realize this FACT!!!!!!!! again .... Pathetic excuse for a town!!!!! Look at these other smaller districts in the county and see how they RESPECT the children and not just worry about themselves!!!!!!!!
ReplyDelete@550- Apparently over 100 years.
ReplyDelete@Robert- If your home was in that condition child protection may be interested. And yes, asbestos can put health at risk.
@628- You see those computers? That's the computer lab for the entire school. 20 minutes a week per student.
@718- Time to take things into our own hands. That's like waiting for the President to come save us. It's not going to happen and if it does it will be too late.
@Factbear- I was in GCS for 13 years. And I graduated this decade. I doubt anyone else on here (Except TLK) can speak on the subject like I can. Nobody wants to help improve the conditions because they don't want to know. I'm trying to educate for my kid's sakes. And after 100 years left, no, there's not a whole lot to work with.
@Joe- True enough we can vote now with state assistance or vote later without state assistance. I'd rather do the right thing now.
@811- Go. Go to the school. I dare you. You want to look at a few pictures and be done with it rather than take into consideration what the photos are telling you.
@821- I honestly don't know, I would think if we had the money and resources we would fix what was right to fix. But remember, remodel is 102% of building new in this case.
@Krista- true enough if McDonalds looked like this nobody would go. That's a wonderful point.
@852- Obviously, this doesn't fix a school building. You say it like the super has been here since South school has been. This was a project she took on when she came into office. I commend her and respect her because of what she's done. You should too.
@Jon- Sorry. Didn't think about that one.
I am definitely not him. Jon was an administrator when I was in High School.
I am not from greenville, i just moved here over 5 years ago.... and from i see this is sick, you people not wanting a new school. I have friends, who have kids that go to these schools, and a couple who are teachers. Really you guys gotta be kidding me, Versailles, Arcanum, and there is another one.... all built new schools... but i have never met a more stuck up town. we have MORE kids going to greenville then those schools, but yet they got new schools, oh also look how good their students do too!!!! just sayin, I know when I have kids, they will NOT be going to greenville schools, if the school cont to look like this... how about just building one k-12 school.. that would work...
ReplyDeleteI got a Idea!!!!! Home Makeover: School Edion!!!!! why don't people vol. to help rebuild a school... that will help put some cost down, but i think we since do have state wanting to help we should it now, what if 2 years after a school comes down (while our children are in) we don't get that help, what ya guys going to do then????? how about workin has a comm.... oh wait greenville don't know how to do that, they just know how to tear people down!
ReplyDeleteHow about we use the guys in the sex offender safehouses to repair the schools. They could pay for thier keep and I am sure they would enjoy working with the schools.
ReplyDeleteFaith, the K-12 idea has come up before. I think the current idea is that if we can't pass this, we certainly can't pass a K-12 bond. Right now the state is offering assistance for the middle school.
ReplyDeleteMany people (not you of course) voted no on the K-12 levy and now use the excuse that if it was everything they'd vote for it. Just avoiding the subject at hand they are.
Dex- $8.8 million, free money from the state if we pass this.
Children can be removed from homes that are in that much disrepair, yet ours are expected to attend those schools every single day. To those who say repair it - with what money? Have you ever paid for a home repair? It isn't cheap. Grow up and give a darn about the kids in your community. They are the future and will be the people taking care of you someday. Maybe they will decide the cost of caring for you is too much.
ReplyDeleteI knew as soon as I looked at this slide-show of pictures early this morning… this was going to “backfire” for those in favor of building a new school…
ReplyDeleteI went to school in Ansonia in the later 60's - 75. We were the first class to go into the new building that was built for the middle school. Yes it was nice, but I cannot say it made learning any easier. My education came from the teacher's and books. We did not have calculators or computers to learn from. When we transfered back to the old high school, sure it was run down and had lead and asbestos in it, I wasn't there to see the ooz's and awe's of a new building, I was there for an education. Most of what I hear is fix it up! VOTE NO! I thought it over and came to this, I have to have a special room in my home for my PC. I have a handicap ramp for my power chair. Most everything has to be replaced sometime. One can only cover up damage for so long. Adults that went to these old schools have forgotten how long ago that had been, and they were newer then.
ReplyDeleteJM had nothing but the best of intentions in submitting these photos.
ReplyDeleteI'm personally a little tired of the argument that we need to pass ths levy for the children. We desperately need to pass this levy for our entire community.
I respect those who are voting no for personal financial reasons, but I still think it's the wrong vote. A no vote now will only compound and increase our problems later.
I will be voting for the levy.
[and now comments are closed so everybody can cool off]